Finally good news for Barack Obama..........

**UTVols2** · June 10th, 2008, 09:05 AM

Nobody has started a thread bashing him today...... Great work.

I figured I might go ahead and get that in before someone else post some nonsense BS that gets argued on the wrong forum for the 100th time this month. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]

**PVVikeFan** · June 10th, 2008, 12:10 PM

I haven't noticed anybody "bashing" Obama. I have noticed a few references to his past. If a person could possibly become the next President of The United States do you really think his past should not be brought to light?? Should it simply be swept under the rug??

Personally, I think ANY American, especially a Presidential candidate, should show a little more respect for out National Anthem.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=N8QCkg...eature=related

Should a Presidential candidate refer to Louis Farrakham a "great American"?

Would you really feel comfortable with a President who listened to Jeramiah Wright for over 20 years?

How about a President who had a close personal relationship with William Ayers? OR has anybody even bothered to find out anything about this??

How about his association with Tony Rezko?
From the Chicago Sun-Times
"Rezko built part of his fortune by exploiting the black community that Obama had served in the state Senate, and by milking government programs meant to benefit black-owned businesses. But Obama took Rezko's money even after the businessman was sued by the city of Chicago for failing to heat his low-income apartments, and even after Rezko was caught using a black business partner to obtain a minority set-aside for a fast-food franchise at O'Hare Airport.

Now Rezko is wearing an orange jumpsuit. And Obama may spend the rest of the presidential campaign wearing the jacket for his friendship with the fixer."

People really need to check out a few things before deciding on a presidential candidate. All this and more has already been brought to light and the general election race has barely begun. It's gonna be interesting to find out how much more Obama has been up to in his shady life.

**TheBeast** · June 10th, 2008, 01:24 PM

There you go bashing him with all your silly little "facts". Did you forget the rules of internet forums, especially this one. There is no place for facts and the only thing that matters is "my opinion".

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**PVVikeFan** · June 10th, 2008, 01:53 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TheBeast</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There you go bashing him with all your silly little "facts". Did you forget the rules of internet forums, especially this one. There is no place for facts and the only thing that matters is "my opinion".

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Yeah, it seems a lot of people here are not interested in facts at all. they want to tie McCain to Bush simply they belong to the same party. The fact that they have disagreed on almost everything is not important. But then mention Obama and his sleezy associates and the rules change. He is not like them just because he has associated with them for years. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img] [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img] Anybody wanna buy some oceanfront property on High Knob??

**pvfan** · June 10th, 2008, 02:01 PM

Bush supports the Iraq war, McCain supports the Iraq war. To me thats really all I need to know.

**R13** · June 10th, 2008, 02:19 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PVVikeFan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TheBeast</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There you go bashing him with all your silly little "facts". Did you forget the rules of internet forums, especially this one. There is no place for facts and the only thing that matters is "my opinion".

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Yeah, it seems a lot of people here are not interested in facts at all. they want to tie McCain to Bush simply they belong to the same party. The fact that they have disagreed on almost everything is not important. But then mention Obama and his sleezy associates and the rules change. He is not like them just because he has associated with them for years. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img] [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img] Anybody wanna buy some oceanfront property on High Knob?? </div></div>

Because I bet half of them arent even facts, like I said hes the new guy and theyre gonna go through everything to get dirt on him and youre falling for it...I could google anybody and find all kinds of [censored] on them...ppl say bush and mccain are alike because they are, the policies are...where have we seen that Obama is just like Wright? nowheres...Mccains were John Hagee and Rod Parsley, does that mean mccain thinks Hitler was doing gods work or we should call for a holy war against the muslims? NO...so give all that a break...

**CoeburnCane** · June 10th, 2008, 01:34 PM

No matter who's running for president...they're going to have someone associated with them that someone doesn't like. No matter how good a person is, I'd almost 100% guarantee you that there's a friend of their's that is an unsavory individual at best. I've got friends that stand for things that I don't stand for and that most people don't--but guess what...I'm still their friend b/c I've got ties to them above and beyond any controversy--doesn't mean that I subscribe to exactly the same things they do.

For example--I've got a pretty good friend that I would do just about anything for that has been in and out of prison the past 5-6 years for various drug offenses. Now--does that make me a druggie or drug dealer? No...it makes me a friend of one, but I've never done a single illicit drug in my life. I don't approve of his lifestyle, and he as well as my other friends/family know that. But--he's my friend.

If I ran for president, would there be threads on here everyday linking me to this friend of mine? Yes. Would THAT mean that, just since any news outlet reports it, that I am the same as my friend? Absolutely no. Would the fact he's my friend mean that I would either enable him with my power if elected, or that I would let him make crucial decisions if I were president? No.

But that's what we're assuming with Obama. How short-sided can you get. Just like we should be wary of voting for Obama just because we want the opposite of Bush, we should be wary of voting against Obama just because so-and-so is his friend and not him. Just because you have "ties" to something or someone doesn't mean you are the same as them.

I'd say we'll also be finding out a lot more about McCain in the following months as well...but we have to be careful to vote for the man and not who he's tied to, necessarily. Besides--I'd rather either McCain/Obama have the worst ties in the world that don't actually affect how they're going to run the country as president, than have Bush who's personal/business ties have basically bore out to be the reason behind about every step of his presidency.

**Roy_Macavoy** · June 10th, 2008, 01:37 PM

Chubz for prez!
f' obama in the a

**pvfan** · June 10th, 2008, 01:40 PM

Roy is back on the forum? Last I heard you were living with a mexican in Norton.

**Roy_Macavoy** · June 10th, 2008, 01:44 PM

Roy is back, much to the delight of most members of the forum (and of course chubzie). Norton was just too much for Roy, nowhere really to get some good golfing practice in, and the mexican was too much, don't know how many times i had to let her know that a closet wasn't for sleeping, especially when she tried to fit her three brothers, two sisters, and her uncle in there with her.
grip it and rip it!